Thank you Marleen. It makes me happy to think that Bolero has fans out there, he is such a lovable horse and I am really excited to go show him off in Miami.
It is very unfortunate what is happening with PFHA, I hope they can get it togheter.
Jacky
_________________ Jacky McDaniel
Wildflower Paso Fino &
Trote Y Galope
Home of BOLERO de Sierra Morena
Ocala FL.
I wish no ill will towards PFHA. I just wish they would figure out "who" they want to be. If they want to be only about Paso Finos in this country then they need to re-dedicate them selves to that goal in a big way. If they want to embrace all of the paso modalities, then they need to dedicate themselves to that in a big way. So far, they are doing neither and what they are doing, they are doing pitifully.
I am just so grateful that, finally, there is an alternative available. That alternative is the International Paso Horse Federation and the American Trote and Trocha Association (IPHF/ATTA). These organizations are proving to me, by their actions, that they are willing to dedicate themselves to all the Paso modalities in a very big way! They are putting the best interests of the breed first. Are they just SAYING this? No, they are DOING it!
So, I really think this alternative is just what PHFA needs to force it to pick a direction and dedicate itself to that direction. They are no longer the only game in town. We have options now. I think it's great and it will ultimately make PFHA a better organization, IF they are willing to seize the opportunities. Will they? Time will tell. But, in the meantime, I can not be a member. PFHA will have to prove to me, with a new and sustained pattern of behavior, that they are changed before I will re-join as a member. I wish them well.
Looking forward to the Show this weekend in Miami--the IPHF/ATTA US National Trials! Good luck everyone! And, Jackie, looking forward to seeing you and your boy!
~Becky
We have been members of PFHA for almost 6 years now, only because I want to show my horses but lately my passion to take my horses to the show is fading. All I want and I am sure most of us want is go to the show with our horses and having them judge failry, it is all about the horses and not who the rider/trainer is or who has the most money or who knows who.
Then I read what you wrote about PFHA and it is disturbing.
I just don't know where this is going, what can we do to help as members to see that this does not continue?
Jackie, I personally stopped showing years ago and only for one reason!
A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF OUR JUDGES don't know the difference between a HORSE ASS and a HORSE HEAD! is that too cruel to be said?
A GOOD PORTION of our judges not even know the true mechanism of a PASO HORSE!
I speak with facts! and is SAD!
Disclaimer: I said a good percentage of judges! but we still have a "HAND FULL of them! that are great! unfortunate, they have NO VOICE !
I am just so grateful that, finally, there is an alternative available. That alternative is the International Paso Horse Federation and the American Trote and Trocha Association (IPHF/ATTA). These organizations are proving to me, by their actions, that they are willing to dedicate themselves to all the Paso modalities in a very big way! They are putting the best interests of the breed first. Are they just SAYING this? No, they are DOING it!
Looking forward to the Show this weekend in Miami--the IPHF/ATTA US National Trials! Good luck everyone! And, Jackie, looking forward to seeing you and your boy!
~Becky
AMEN for that! Thank you Becky!
_________________ Jacky McDaniel
Wildflower Paso Fino &
Trote Y Galope
Home of BOLERO de Sierra Morena
Ocala FL.
We have been members of PFHA for almost 6 years now, only because I want to show my horses but lately my passion to take my horses to the show is fading. All I want and I am sure most of us want is go to the show with our horses and having them judge failry, it is all about the horses and not who the rider/trainer is or who has the most money or who knows who.
Then I read what you wrote about PFHA and it is disturbing.
I just don't know where this is going, what can we do to help as members to see that this does not continue?
Jackie, I personally stopped showing years ago and only for one reason!
A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF OUR JUDGES don't know the difference between a HORSE ASS and a HORSE HEAD! is that too cruel to be said?
A GOOD PORTION of our judges not even know the true mechanism of a PASO HORSE!
I speak with facts! and is SAD!
Disclaimer: I said a good percentage of judges! but we still have a "HAND FULL of them! that are great! unfortunate, they have NO VOICE !
I AGREE and have seen riders speaking to the judges in the show ring asking for another chance on the board and it was granted, the little guys were excused!
IT'S WRONG!!!!!!
_________________ Jacky McDaniel
Wildflower Paso Fino &
Trote Y Galope
Home of BOLERO de Sierra Morena
Ocala FL.
Candice: I have meant to comment on this many times. Your post is well written and well thought out and with good documentation. Thank you for taking the time to put it in writing for us.
As far as you know, are any PFHA members taking any action regarding the behavior of the PFHA BOD? The next meeting is just around the corner, in October, isn't it? I do feel that this issue is more than the "diagonal modality issue", it is very seriously about how PFHA Leadership treats it's members and more importantly, how it arrives at decisions. Thanks again.
I apologize. I had decided to take a couple of weeks "off" of this subject because it got to me emotionally. I truly HATE seeing the people who support this breed tear at each other and to be one carrying a banner to do so. Towards that end, I volunteered for some heavy duties at work that kept me literally working 12-14 hour days, 7 days a week. Today is the end of my work duties. Frankly, I needed it. I did not want to hear, see, know, or speak to anyone concerning this subject.
I have many serious concerns not just about PFHA but about ATTA, IPHF, and CONFEPASO. I have many concerns of this country's current attitude about horses and the "paso" breed in general and paso finos specifically. I believe PFHA reflects this attitude by its leaders' actions and its members emotional reactions. I also blame CONFEPASO for igniting this reaction and I blame IPHF, ATTA, AND PFHA for not demonstrating one frickin' ounce of maturity to SUPPORT the breed. I do not believe for one nano-second that CONFEPASO does either.
I have concerns about Puerto Rico's general isolationism and refusal to engage in the global issue concerning paso finos; and I have concerns about Colombia's general dogmatic definition of what the paso breed "should" be to the world. I am angry and disappointed in CONFEPASO's narrow view and its manipulations on other registries, countries, and cultures. What could be great is nothing but garbage.
Now to answer you: YES!!
Before my first post, I contacted two professional parliamentarian organizations. I have been in contact with three parliamentarians about this specific issues and a few others I have had with PFHA. I am trying to finalize my discussions with them ASAP.
My issue is about procedure and on a grander scale about philosophy of what this breed is. "We", I mean any person or entity associated with a horse we call "paso", need a way to debate, discuss, argue, agree, on our philosophies and do so in a way that is LESS destructive. We should be allowed to express our deepest emotions and thoughts about issues we deem important. Procedure, rules, guidelines, provide a means to do this. It gives constraints to unruly emotions and actions. It makes us "human", civil, even democratic. Procedure gives us voice, empowers the meek, tempers the fever, equalizes the tone, gives opportunity for understanding, perhaps resolution. With respect, when we follow the process that we agreed upon, decisions can be made and upheld. When we disrespect the process, we disrespect ourselves because we are the ones who made the process in the first place.
So, yes, I will be at the October meeting and I will be as prepared as I can possibly be to work through this. I ask for patience as I try to finalize and then share what I have learned.
PFHA is my association that supports my breed. As angry as I am, I am a member and as a member I will do what I can to make this work and if it cannot work, then I will make sure it will not harm the breed. I do not see ATTA or IPHF as advesaries nor as "replacements". Nor do I see PFHA as the ultimate USA representative of pasos or CONFEPASO as a world-wide voice for pasos.
What I see is a lack of structure as result of a lack of will from the members that make up these organizations. What I see is me, you, "us" not demanding more from each other. What I see is very little faith in an animal we all claim we endear in our hearts. I see very little pride that the paso IS the best and so very little effort to maintain the horse AS IT IS. I see very little respect for an animal that literally represents a history of great nations and great people. As a result, is it any wonder we no longer respect each other and behave as we do?
I believe in this horse and because I do, I WILL work towards a structure that provides procedure that allows "us" to communicate our support for our breed. My goal is to put back in the respect that will allow us to move forward again.
_________________ Be the change you want to see in the world. Gandhi
A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF OUR JUDGES don't know the difference between a HORSE ASS and a HORSE HEAD! is that too cruel to be said?
A GOOD PORTION of our judges not even know the true mechanism of a PASO HORSE!
I speak with facts! and is SAD!
Disclaimer: I said a good percentage of judges! but we still have a "HAND FULL of them! that are great! unfortunate, they have NO VOICE !
True, but we can change this with enough interest to do so. The real question is are you or not?
I don't see judging being all that much better in other countries either. Perhaps there is a better understanding of the horse, but when it comes down to it, politics are running the shows right now. We use rules now to constrain, enslave, and dictate not as guidance for decisions or as a means to let an individual learn the wishes of the masses. It is not isolated to PFHA only.
_________________ Be the change you want to see in the world. Gandhi
The IPHF show this past weekend had great judging system, they explain everything to the public. Everyone understood the reasoning behind the decisions.
We felt the horses were judge failry and it was not about the rider, the owner or who knows who, it was all about the horses and how good they were.
And that is all we ask for, for a good show, good judging, good athmosphere, good fun!!!!
Jacky
_________________ Jacky McDaniel
Wildflower Paso Fino &
Trote Y Galope
Home of BOLERO de Sierra Morena
Ocala FL.
I AGREE and have seen riders speaking to the judges in the show ring asking for another chance on the board and it was granted, the little guys were excused!
IT'S WRONG!!!!!!
I personally witnessed this at a smallish regional show in August. The judges who did this are NOT new to the breed and should have known better. They allowed one single horse who did a bad pass on the board a 'do-over'. They did not explain their actions and they did not even bother to couch the second pass as a work-off between two horses. The second pass, while not perfect, was acceptable, and they then placed the horse OVER a horse that had met all the requirements of the class and had a single, comparable quality pass on the board. We had one friend in the class and one at the rail with us. I captured all of this on video. The friend in the class, who is relatively new to showing, was confused and discouraged by the placement. The second friend, who has shown other breeds for YEARS was watching the whole class, has subsequently told the regions president that she will NOT bring her Pasos to events judged by this pair of judges because she feels that what they did was unethical. Please understand that this is not a 'sour grapes' posting about the placement of our friend -- it's about the fact that the judges made what appeared to be an arbitrary decision to send one horse down for a second pass without giving the other horses at the same level the same opportunity, aka a 'work-off'. The 'optics' of this were just terrible and I'm personally frustrated because we bring a LOT of first-timers into the show ring and this was not an isolated incident. Both of these people are relatively new to showing in this breed -- if PFHA is looking to build revenue off of show attendance how can they continue to condone arbitarary behaviour like this at events large and small? If IPHF has more shows in the mid-Atlantic next year I will be attending at least one to see whether they have managed to resolve problems like this with their system.
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I am glad that I was not the only one that saw this, and it was not the first time and unfortunately it will not be the last.
This should be investigated and find should be paid by the people wheter it is member, Vice President or President.
People ask me all the times, why don't you show your horses and I say I don't like the judging system and too much politics. The shows are not fair and it is getting worse every year.
The judges were hired by the individulal that got a second chance on the board.
I am hoping that IPHF will have more shows like the one they had this past weekend, it was the best!
_________________ Jacky McDaniel
Wildflower Paso Fino &
Trote Y Galope
Home of BOLERO de Sierra Morena
Ocala FL.
BigJ,
What do you think the outcome will be? you seem to be very knowledge, I would like to know your opinion and everybody else opinions are on what they think will happen if a complaint if filed.
_________________ Jacky McDaniel
Wildflower Paso Fino &
Trote Y Galope
Home of BOLERO de Sierra Morena
Ocala FL.
Maybe if the judges had to EXPLAIN their placements and actions, there would be less of this nonense going on. And, believe me if Jacky had complained she would have been bounced on by that group.
I question what it is you are saying about ATTA not supporting the breed, and it really doesn't matter because I am not going to rehash the same thing over and over. ATTA tried to work with PFHA and their Confepaso delegates for the last 8 years, unfortuneately most of the time it was an uphill political battle. I don't think you really know everything that went on. I am not blaming PFHA alone, but PFHA (most of the BOD) was always looking for a way to "get rid of & squash" ATTA. It is a real shame, we could have been working together the last 8 years to promote the breed and grow together. Now it maybe too late for that to happen.
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