Registries in Puerto Rico

Kerry W · Registries in Puerto Rico

1- Federacion del Deporte de Caballos de Paso Fino de Puerto Rico (FDCPFPR) - Federation of Sport of Paso Fino horses of Puerto Rico (FSPFPR) {First registry to start a studbook for the PPR Breed}

2- Asociacion Nacional de Caballos de Paso Fino de Puerto Rico (ANCPFPR) – National Association of Paso Fino Horses of Puerto Rico (NAPFHPR) {Formed from the Federation and is the second oldest PF registry in Puerto Rico)

3- Asociacion Insular de Caballos de Paso Fino de Puerto Rico (AICPFPR) – Insular Association of Paso Fino Horses of Puerto Rico (IAPFHPR) {A division of the National Association better known as "Los Puros", or The Purists}

4- Confederacion de Caballos de Paso Fino de Puerto Rico (CCPFPR) – Confederation of Paso Fino Horses of Puerto Rico (CPFHPR) {A group of unhappy members split from the "Insulars" to form this association, and it is the newest assocation. It struggles to compete or schedule shows, as they are not supported by the other associations.}

5- Registro General Caballos Paso Fino, Departamento de Agricultura de Puerto Rico (RGCPFDAPR) – General Registry of Paso Fino Horses, Department of Agriculture of Puerto Rico GRPFHDAPR) {Charged with collecting DNA of all the horses registered}

Kerry W

I'm going to put this list of registries in the Registry forum, but wanted to place it here for discussion, questions, etc. Thank you to The Professional for the information! I beg patience for answers from him, as he is quite busy with several breed related projects, that keep him away from the computer. Perhaps some of our other PPR devotees can help while he's away.

I specifically asked The Professional about pintos and their acceptance in these registries. In the US, pintos (tobiano) are widely accepted, with the foundation horses supplying the genetics for the pattern, coming from horses from Puerto Rico. This has always been confusing for me, because none of the registries in Puerto Rico allow(ed) pinto (tobiano) in their registries. I think there was one horse of that pattern registered in one of the registries...not sure which one...that info would be appreciated.

It is my understanding that the pintos (tobiano) in Puerto Rico have always been much loved, but for whatever reasons, not registered.

caliber

Great questions Kerry! I have seen so many registries come and go that is hard to keep track of them! But I am also interested in learning the active ones and also learning the process for the Tobiano!

Saludos!

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caliber

Maybe this can educate lots of us........

So, if Puerto Rico didnt registered the PINTOS! then who was the genius that ever started the bullshit against Colombia for not registering PINTOS! Thinking

And by the way! CONFEPASO was founded by Puerto Ricans...in Puerto Rico.... to unite the Paso World with a representation of each country....if recall correctly.

grif

Puerto Rico did register pintos.

dcancel

There are pintos registered in the "federacion" registry. The problem is that they were mostly a product of an unregistered pinto mare.... and the "purist" question all of them.... pintos are seen throughout PR in all the horse rides"cabalgatas" and in the towns of Camuy/Hatillo there are Pinto clubs that have some amazing looking animals..... The "Purists" accept loud sabinos but not pintos..... it is extremely rare to see registered pintos but they do exist and I have never seen one in competition...

Denisse

Kerry W

Thanks Cindy and Denisse....are there many pintos registered, or just a few? How active is the Federacion now? Is it still a prominent registry?

I'm just trying to sort this all out. With so many registries for the PPR horses alone, it's confusing.

caliber

Denisse, that is my point! ........ Thank you so much for saying it how it is........

caliber

The Professional

I really think that this post needs more info from the friends that know about this issue. I remember a couple “breeders” that have some pintos in their herds’ pedigree but they registered to different stallions or mares (not pintos).

The problem is that now we have DNA and some horses don’t match with their studs and buyers have to dig deep in order to have the most accurate pedigree on those horses that they own. That happened in PR, US and Colombia as well, with the difference that in the US they allowed pintos to be registered.

The Professional

I recently found out that there's a couple of puro pinto horse breeders in PR and they have record of their pintos so they can track their lineage but unfortunately they can't register them at any of the ppr organizations.

One of the breeders happen to be a friend of mine and she has a small herd of excellent pure paso fino pintos from the Batallas' family line. Her farm is the town of Bayamon for those of you familiar with P.R.s' cities and the other breeder is from Camuy and at least I've seen some pictures of a few of his horses.

caliber

So Pro, please correct me if I'm wrong here, you are saying that none of the PPR Pintos cant be registered in PR?

So, what do they do? issue a lineage verification but not a registry? Without a registry how can we register those horses in the USA?

I'm confuse here!

The Professional

Yes Caliber, that’s exactly what’s going on with the pure paso fino pintos in PR. None of the four formal associations which group the quorum of the puro paso fino allowed pintos to be registry. They do long ago and only one association.

Then suddenly they decide that pintos can’t be considered as part of the breed because they are mixed. Some people unknowing the fact also confuse the sabino marks as pintos. Today days they still do. And some even consider with marks as a fault when that is part of the Berberisco heritage.

So, the puro ppr pintos in the US date from the time the federation allow pintos to be registered are obviously official. Now I want to say up front before make this statement that I’m not referring to any particular horse from these times or now, but it was no secret that some dishonest people mess up with the registry papers in the past been this one of the reason they stop registering pintos any more.

Again, that doesn’t mean that the majority of dose horses were legitimate! Some times as I have been told they just have one of the parent registered so they have to improvise. So, US have the continues of the genealogical tree from the first horses registered from PR, from that point on they have only the pure paso fino pintos born in US.
Never the less, real ppr pinto enthusiast, keep record of their horses and DNA (to me that is the most important tool) only they cannot register their horses to any of the ppr association.

My personal view is that this is a discriminatory measure and they should be allowed to be registered at least in a different category and be allowed to compete at shows. I hope I clarify your doubt Felix, if is any other question please let me know for I’ll keep investigating this issue and the andadura’s case as well.

caliber

Thank you Pro, your statement has clarify many doubts and misconception that we oftenhear about Pintos.....

I do understand about mixing! and i also agree. We also have name breeders in this country that have worked in a dishonest way and have mixed their horses to non- pinto walkers!! hopefully one day it will all be out in the open, is the only way to preserve our wonderful magical breed.

I also agree that a paper is not the key here! but keeping records for the authenticity of the breed is what matters for future generations to come.

Thank you so much again! and please keep us all up to date.

Saludos!

The Professional

Also thank you, Caliber, for your concern on this issue. Here is a pic of “Turpial”, a pure paso fino pinto, owned by a dear friend of mine. This colt it’s as you can see very rich in color pattern and exhibit a very peculiar mark. My friend has his pedigree, traceable back to a very long and distinguish family linage. Turpial’s sire went to a ppr paso fino exhibition at El Morro San Juan for the occasion of the 500 years Discovery, celebrated by the institute of PR culture. The only ppr pinto present, Turpial’s sire, cause sensation among the public, including some American tourist who were there. He performs a complete exhibition and was awarded with a commemorative plaque. That’s good for the PPR pintos’ if you ask me!

TURPIAL

Turpial's bloodmark

The Professional

This mare could be considered by some as a pinto. Obviously she shows a pattern of the sabino gene, pattern that for some she shows to much white. As if it’s a fault, they don’t know that pure Puerto Rican paso finos have that hereditary genes from the Berberisco breed and it’s natural of the breed to show white marks. They shouldn’t be considered as pintos. PPR pintos exhibit a tobiano pattern and as everyone know it’s need at least one of the parents to carry that gene in order to produce a tobiano.

Kofresi Royal

Hey Compay, here is a PPR pinto mare here in the USA.

Heart of Gold

Who is this lovely mare? Where is she? More info please!!!

The Professional

She is a beauty! Also her little sibling who looks like a statue. Very well-rounded crup and the angle at the base of the neck, superb! Do you have any other pic of the baby?

Kofresi Royal

This is the information that I have of her farm:

Trademark Farms is owned and operated by Jerry and Stefanie Schermerhorn. They have been breeding Paso Fino horses since 1988, specializing in Pinto Paso Finos for over ten of those years.

By Phone: 1-877-801-PASO (7276)
Cell: 1-731-845-3718
email: pintopaso@tds.net
By Mail: 535 Corinth Road Darden, TN 38328
http://www.pintopaso.com/index.html

Somebody told me ones that she was not a PPR. She believe her dam was 1/2 PR. I check her pedigree, but I can not find any Colombian on her pedigree. If, you find it any colombian on her pedigree let me know. Here is her pedigree:

http://pasoregistry.com/db/Tree.asp?ID=84686

Name: Pais Montanas Allesandra Born: 5-25-1990 Color: Pinto

BigJ

She's pure and comes for the Scott/Lugo stock who were one of the few breeders of Puerto Rican Paso Finos that imported quality pinto stock from Puerto Rico.

Randilyn Scott and David Lugo shipped up one or two Federation registered pinto stock, which may have high probability of the pedigree being a true reflection of the horses' heritage.

Looking at the pedigree in greater depth will reveal very few sources of the tobiano gene.

Pinto breeders in the USA are challenged because they choose to try to breed homozygous for color and have very few sources to pursue this goal.

If I were a pinto breeder, I'd tap the SL lines.

The Professional

dcancel

What do you think of this one:

Pedigree: Milicrins' Miracle

http://www.cuatrobeatpasos.com/Pe...Paso_Fino_Milicirin_s_Miracle.mht

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caliber

I think! she is awesome! info please if available!

dcancel

Hi Caliber the mare is owned by

Ron & Tonia Colburn
RR 1 Box 391
Boynton, OK. 74422

website: www.cuatrobeatpasos.com

and that filly is also a PR Paso Fino by Santo Serrano
http://pasoregistry.com/db/Tree.asp?ID=72853

caliber

Thank you Denisse! you are great!

Abrazos!

The Professional

Hi Denisse I hope you're well.
She is a beauty! I'll bet (and I never bet) she has to have Batalla in her pedigree. It's writing all over.