Mangalarga (video)

caliber · Mangalarga (video)

Here are two videos of a Mangalarga Horse......... comments please!

Here is the link for more information on the breed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangalarga_Paulista
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangalarga_Marchador

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZAnzX1Hv3g
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6GPnm6xN_x8

Jane Hurl

I've been watching these horses for a year or so now. I don't think that they are as smooth a riding horse as a Paso (though I can't be sure as I've never ridden one). My understanding is that they don't have the same brio either, which is either a plus or a minus, depending on your point of view. *grin*

About the only thing they seem to have on Pasos is size. But I have to tell you, you will pay HUGE money in order to GET that size. Too rich for my blood, but they are lovely looking horses. (There's a blue roan gelding called "Coyote" who I'd love to own ... but $15,000 for a GELDING that isn't even broke?)

caliber

Jane, I have been blessed to have a great breeder 5 minutes away from my home. I have only ridden a hand full of them. I have noticed some with lots of brio and others with not so much for my likening.

Brazilians have been very cautious and have improved the breed (conformation, maybe we need some tips from them). They also have been extremely smart in promoting their breed... USA and Germany have a good number of them, and like Brazilians say, is a horse without boarders, meaning! they they share the breed.

The Margalarga Marchador, has a huge population, they are apprx. 300,000 of them registered only in Brazil..............

Height (note: they have a minimum and a maximum, something we should also have in our registry, very important to preserve important characteristics of the breed.

For males ideal is of 1,52m, when there are admitted for the definite register at least 1,47m and maxim of 1,57m.

For females ideal is of 1,46m, when there are admitted for the definite register at least 1,40m and maxim of 1,54m.

Here is a promotional clip (if you speak Portuguese)

Link

Jane Hurl

There may be 300,000 in Brazil, but there are only TWO in Canada ... and they live about 2 hours south of me. I've not been by for a visit ... yet.

I can't relate to 1,52m though, Felix. Can you translate into hh?

britzlove

I need to go home and see if Conquistadors has anything to say about those horses, though it may not. I have viewed them many times as well, before.

I took your links and searched more videos and I find several of them are super nice, and others not so much, looking much like racking horses.

I think it's a paso cousin, because of the Lusitano link. I think they used more warmbloods in developing the Manalarga's than the paso's have used.

Totally fits with my hypothesis of how many of these breeds developed. Paso finos, or Colombian paso horses, would not be what they are today if they were developed from only native stock. Neither would the Manalargas. If you look at the wikipedia pages, the defining of these breeds happened on a similar timeline.

Jane Hurl

Okay, now I'll 'fess up that I didn't watch the video before. I just did now.

Anybody else as underwhelmed as I am with the videography?
Anybody understand (and can translate) what they are saying about these horses?

I have to say that what little I could see of them in this footage, they weren't anywhere NEAR as nice looking horses as the ones that are being brought into the USA by the Kelley family through their ranch called "Summerwind". (http://www.summerwindmarchadors.com/marchador_horses.aspx) THEY have some enviably beautiful horses. (I want Koyote Libertas ... and I see he's on sale right now! That means I could have him for LESS than $15,000! I wonder how MUCH less? *grin*)

The ones on this video ... not so beautiful. I think it was more the footage than the horses, but they looked pretty pedestrian to me!

Ferrum

they seem to have different breeds or sub-types.
here is one, ... Grande Marchadaor?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO8lhVMjc2c&NR=1

If you want to find the 4 beat gaited ones you can look up " Marcha Picada"
I honestly love the looks and size, gait might not be as clear.
Jo-Ann
AJA!
here ius cool video on the big ones, " Grande Marchador "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9eox3tAhZA&
BTW caliber the black horse is doing "Corbeta" to perfection in that second video you posted! better than the high school horses on youtube video and under saddle... Incredible!

Jane Hurl

Please don't think that I'm putting the breed down. I am not. Actually, I'd like to own one ... but I don't see the same ... um ... "refinement" (?) as in a well-bred Paso. Is that the word I'm looking for? The gait isn't as ... tight? ... exacting? They seem sorta ... well ... floppy!

They certainly appear to be a calm breed, which is good ... but again, I don't see the excitement of the Paso's brio. What I DO see that I like is that these horses appear to be able to REALLY cover a lot of ground effortlessly. To corroborate that, the woman from the ranch I mentioned (above), took a Marchador into an endurance race (for the first time in the horse's life and without getting him properly conditioned) and nearly won the whole damned race! For all that your Paso will get you there smoother (and with more style, in my opinion), you're not going to WIN endurance races on a Paso. (Me, I'm not even going to ENTER endurance races ... but I'm just sayin'. *grin*)

BigJ

You're not going to win an endurance race with a paso using the paso modality exclusively and of course that is quite obvious. But to say you cannot win an endurance race with a paso is like saying a Marchador can't either.

WINNING is about being FIRST not about who crosses the finish line in gait!

If you want to win races and still have a horse "gaiting" then get one that has the modality to maintain the "gait" at the speed required to win. All other requirements not considered.

I won barrel races but it sure wasn't because I tried to do it in a paso gait! I won because I ran my mare like hell and back. She won because she was FASTER not because she was a "good" paso.

Jane Hurl

I wasn't suggesting that you would need to be in gait. But just as a trotting horse trots in order to catch its breath, a Paso gaits to catch its breath and (one assumes) a Marchador does the same. My suggestion is that you on a Marchador are going to get ahead of me on my Paso whilst gaiting in order to catch our breath before galloping off again.

And even so, I'm not sure you and your Marchador are going to win over an Arab, simply because the Arabs have such an incredible capacity to catch their breaths quickly.

But you (and I) are going to get over the finish line with less saddle sores, me thinks! Well, YOU are. I'm not going! *grin*

caliber

get to the finish line with less saddle sores! jejejejejejejejejejejeje that was funny and true! thank you for making me laugh!

Jane Hurl

De nada, Felix! (And that's very nearly the limit of my Spanish!)

The Professional

There was an article about Mangalargas Marchador in the September 1993 publication of The Marchador Magazine. It was a full coverage article about the breed and the pioneers who brings them from Brazil to USA. Also, in Ocala, FL there's a farm facility where they have only Mangalargas' breed. Ben Hur, was the name of the farm stallion. I happened to see once one of these magnificent horses and they resemble somehow the Peruvian breed in the way they gait. Of course the Peruvian horses are more about locomotion. I'm judging only by the one I saw.

Jane Hurl

Try looking here. They have some LOVELY horses ... and significant contacts/partners in South America.

www.summerwindmarchadors.com