Florida PFHA Pointed Diagonal classes

caliber · Florida PFHA Pointed Diagonal classes

Ok! i don't know who is disseminating false information out there! But i have received several phone calls in reference the Miami Show last weekend! and the POINTED Diagonals classes with the PFHA!

First of all friends! the answer is NO...... The Miami Show diagonal classes was not a PFHA pointed...... If you think it was! again NO it wasn't! If you where told by the Florida Officers it was! call them..... but it was not! I hope this is clear enough for everyone to understand................

Any question please contact the PFHA Cori Clark at 1-813-719-7777.......

BigJ

http://americanpasofinos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15912

I don't think it is wise to ask if you don't want the answer.

Kerry W

I just don't get what's going on at all. Is it just too early? Are things not decided yet? I don't understand how it will work to have the diagonals earn points toward Nationals...are they ATTA points, PFHA points or do we just not know what to do yet?

caliber

Good questions Kerry!

1. In accordance to the PFHA rules (Laws) no horse that has not been qualified by the PFHA points can compete at Nationals! (I guess except the Largo race..) so exceptions do exist! jejejejejje

2. That is the only reason why the PFHA has worked this new PFHA SHOW CERTIFICATE system.... to assure that they will be qualified with PFHA POINTS.!

3. The system (show certificate) as not been implemented, WHY? because of one reason.... and that is the final cost for each certificate to owners wasn't decided on the last meeting and was agreed to be decided on this month BOD meeting!

SO! The BOD agreed on the certificate, But has not YET agreed on the price! SO... the system hasn't been finalize yet. It may be finalize in a couple of weeks( next BOD meeting)

Therefor any DIAGONALS showing at any PFHA today! will not be pointed..............

On the last meeting! the vote passed! therefor is ok to have DIAGONALS in which ever PFHA sanctioned show! like has been happening in the last 2 years with the Florida Region............

Am I being clear? any more questions?

OH! how does the certificate works? SIMPLE!

Any diagonal with any of the recognize registry will need to present their present registration to the PFHA, then they will verify that such registry is in good standing and will issue a PFHA Show Certificate......... The PFHA will keep the records of points earned only through the PFHA to qualify for PFHA NATIONALS!! as the PFHA RULE BOOK specify, indicates and must be follow.

caliber

Oh sorry Candice! i just noticed your post! thanks for the link for those who will like to read it! i personally haven't been to APF in a very long time! I do take my breed seriously and with respect! DONT HAVE THE TIME TO WASTE! SORRY!................... sorry for my question! should have known better! jejejejejejejeje

But for those of you who are concerned and asked me! i think my answer was very cleared! and yes! everything that I communicated was confirmed with Ms. Cori Clark to assure that all serious respected and concerned members got the correct information on this matter!

WE TAKE OUR ORGANIZATIONS, RULES but most importantly! OUR BREED very seriously! we don't SPIN like sadly to say! other forums! Evil or Very Mad

thanks again!

Felix

Kerry W

Thanks Felix...that makes sense to me. I appreciate you calling Cori for clarification, and sharing that here.

Marleen Robinson

Thanks for getting some straight answers for us, Felix!

BigJ

You are welcome Caliber and thanks for taking the time to get an official response from PFHA.

I'm very concerned how PFHA judges are qualified to judge the modalities other than paso fino.

At the 2009 Judges and Stewards clinic, of which it was NOT required for ALL PFHA certified judges to attend, there was an exercise based on sound only to distinguish different paso modalities.

Sadly not only did few judges dare to participate, the exercise was not taken seriously by our Education committee or Judge and Steward committee members attending.

Few people attending could tell what was trocha, pasitrote, trote, out of gait or paso. This from an group of people who insist that the ONLY way to tell a horse is in the correct modality is by LISTENING to it on the board (not true). Now I wonder about those judges who dramatically turn their heads away or spin with their backs to the sounding board what they REALLY hear??

Now PFHA after DECADES of saying this organization is about ONLY Paso Finos this happens and I have yet to read anywhere WHY...so my only guess is to use some logic here--PFHA is broke, it wants money and now it believes diagonal modalities will supplement where paso finos lack in monetary ways.

I also question where are all of these "pleasure" riders now when PFHA needs their devotion besides lip service.

Once again, this isn't about the horses and what is best for the breed as a whole, about thoughtful negotiations with the countries of origin, but about money to keep PFHA the way it is. Do we really want diagonals judged the same way as our paso finos in the USA by PFHA? PFHA has yet to demonstrate an understanding of one modality let alone 2-3 others. PFHA still "protects" out of gait horses, promotes champions that are seriously faulty, and has a political system that touches every judge and trainer in the showing realm.

I agree with Carlos Tobon, why would people in love with the diagonal modalities support such PFHA activities when ATTA is here to serve?

I cannot believe PFHA has changed its priorities about paso modalities so quickly and easily. Shame on it!

caliber

loriperez

Candice - It is a shame just because some of our current judges can't tell when a horse is in Paso FINO, that we should be different from all the other countries within Confepaso.

I am passionate about this breed and want to see improvement, just as passionate as you are. I am all about protecting the breed!

As far as the pleasure trail riders go - why should they care. I don't want them voting on issues relating to show procedures anyway. What do they know about showing? How can you vote on a subject you know nothing about?

Felix - What false information are you referring to on another forum? I have posted (because they needed to hear from ATTA - get correct information) information on APF as to what is going on. Was it on another forum??

Why hasn't PFHA not put this information out to the membership yet? This "putting the cart in front of the horse" is what gets rumors & confusion started.

caliber

Oyyyyy!

loriperez

caliber

loriperez

Yes I got both of the E-news from PFHA. Problem was it was like opening Pandora's box (no punt intended Laughing

). First one had incorrect info., and when the second one went out it was generalized info., nothing was ever specific (like go to the website for more details). When you called the office, there was confusion. I feel for PFHA, I am sure they are getting a lot of upset people complaining. OMG people are SO afraid of the diagonals. Like they are some virus that is going to take over Rolling Eyes

OH by the way did you get my email about Pandora?? I think I sold her! I really am happy with the results I got from Cheri's service.

Take care, Lori

Kerry W

loriperez

Kerry W

No offense taken, Lori, and none meant on my part either. Very Happy

When people see our breed on RFD or at shows...and I'm speaking of the show segments on RFD...the horses look "hot". Not to people who understand what they're looking at, but to those who have never seen one outside the ring, they look hard to handle. They don't understand that what they're seeing isn't "crazy"...that they are only strutting their stuff, and are actually very easy to handle...especially on the ground. They simply cannot get the full picture from a 30 minute segment on TV, nor from just sitting in the show arena for a class or two.

It was not my intention to trash shows...I love shows, show horses, trail horses, broodstock, babies, etc. on down the line. My point was that we all have an impact on the breed, no matter what we do. What the trail riders do with their horses should matter to show people, as much as what happens in the ring should matter to trail people...the breed is still so small that what we do with our horses makes a difference to everyone.

I also agree that we need to start educating people about the diagonals. They're here...they've always been here, and if you have a PFHA registered horse, chances are more than fair that your horse has a diagonal in it's pedigree somewhere. So yes, I do agree that the doors need to be opened, so people can educate themselves. Especially if they plan on breeding anything. I think having diagonals at our shows can be beneficial so that we can see the differences in modalities...it's all pertinent information.

It's okay to get frustrated...I do daily. Laughing

I just would rather this not become a show vs. trail issue, because it impacts the entire breed in this country, and it's more important than that. The diagonals exist in trail horses too...so we can't really leave trail people out of the discussion. They're breeding, so they should have good information. I think having diagonals at our shows is a good first step. I mean, look at the discussions that are going on right now...part of the learning process. Once that door is open, I think it'll all be okay.

loriperez

Kerry - agreed. Only reason why I mentioned trail is there are those who have not been to a show in maybe 20 years that have no clue what is going on today. They are sitting back complaining about this and that, on their computers all day, but really are not contributing to the breed. They are a small segment - Thank God Laughing

I do get the feeling from the nay sayers that they would rather turn a blind eye to the diagonals - not deal with it - lets remain the same - don't want to be part of the international culture. All of the shows I have been to where diagonal classes have been offered/exhibition, the crowd just loves it! People are very interested in these horses. Many of us that are diagonal horse owners/breeders also own/breed Paso Fino.

And, yes you are right the Trote & Trocha horse are FANTASTIC on trail.

PS - You know what kills me is when PFHA airs on RFDTV a trail ride; talking about the smooth natural gait, but then the camera is on a TWH or a quarter horse that is trotting??? How come they don't edit that out?? And, can we PLEASE GET SOME MORE CURRENT FOOTAGE that isn't 30 years old???? Laughing

Kerry W

I never cared for the trail segments as a whole. I feel like trail riding is something you DO, not something you watch on TV. Laughing

The scenery is good in most of them, but even that doesn't always translate to TV all that well. I'd honestly like to watch a horse from being loaded on the trailer at home, taken to a show, prepared for showing, shown, and taken home...so people could see how wonderful they are to work with. It's incredible to me, to be able to have a horse that can go from quiet on the ground, to animated under saddle, then back to quiet...they really do all we ask, and with such grace. I do so adore these horses. Very Happy

Diagonals on the trail...what a concept! Doesn't trocha translate to "trail"? dunno

There are always going to be people against their being part of PFHA. Some just like the fino modality, and look at the diagonals as competition. I was that way until I did more research on the diagonals, and learned that they exist in the fino lines, and predated Don Danilo. It's already in there, and it made the horses what they are today...so it's time to stop thinking of them as the relative we don't talk about. Had people done so from the beginning, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

loriperez · rfdtv

I have the perfect video for that! We own a horse named "Evangelio". He is a mutli titled horse, including 2 time Nat'l champion 2 years in a row (Perfomance stallion). He does it ALL. We have a video that we made of him, which includes the show, winning championship titles, breed demos, parades (going down the street lined with a couple of thousand people surrounding the horse - touching it, etc.), the trail, on the ground, lifting the feet, saddling, bridle getting on, gettin off, backing up, and BEING RIDDEN WITH CATTLE NEXT TO A MAJOR HIGHWAY (I-75) with Tracker trailers wizzying by! Now that would be a good example of how versitile our breed really is.

We have this wonderful horse on the market right now. He is a diamond "gem" for sure - haven't found the right buyer for him yet. Confused

Yes Trocha does translate to Trail Cool

caliber · Evangelio

Lori is Evangelio the one we taped for the series?

loriperez

Yes, he was and also my mare Rosa the daughter of Nevado that Diego rode. (She just had her first foal by the way Very Happy

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Felix - I REALLY WOUD LOVE TO HAVE A COPY OF THAT!!! PLEASE CAN'T WE GET A COPY:?: Question

PLEASE

caliber

Lori I tell you what i can do! I can just copy Evangelio and your beautiful mare, is that the chestnut mare right that he rode on the trail segment? and Evangelio is the imported one from Colombia right?

Answering past post!! Cheri besides of being a fantastic artist that knows her business and the horse..... she does stunning work! I really admire her work allot, her presentations are perfect... and her new horse promotion business is a PLUSSSSSSS!

Pandora posessess great lines! Although she is a T y G, I personally love her Trocha lines! Did you end up breeding her to ARAFAT?

Pasofinoguy

Alot of the paso shows on rfdtv are very bad but a few are ok. I dont think rfdtv is showing the paso shows anymore now. I havent seen them in awhile and emailed rfdtv and got no answer.

loriperez

I would take ANYTHING. EVEN THOUGH I REALLY WANT THE BLACK TROTE HORSE TOO Laughing

Yes, Cheri did a great job for us...In fact I got several serious buyers looking at Pandora right now. I got calls 2 days after the email went out.
I got calls on Evangelio's email 3 hours after the email went out. Nothing solid on him though. Felix you can mail the DVD of the shoot to the ATTA address.

I would really love to see THAT on RFDTV. It really is a great education tool.

PS - The last time I saw RFDTV (which was about 1 month ago) they had repeats from last year. Don West on how to halter a colt, trail riding and one other was of a Nat'l show from 2004?? Not sure of the year.

Pasofinoguy

Oh they always show that 04 nationsl show. A outsider would probley think that it was the only nationsl show we have had lol. And I wasent a big fan of the don west thing. Imprinting is the key i think and if you do they and or hand feed your foal you wont have to run them around till they are tired then catch them lol.