Important information regarding your horses registrations certificate.
To all ATTA members and all Paso enthusiasts:
Recently, the PFHA Board of Directors approved to offer classes within the association's structure. However, after reviewing the approved proposal, the ATTA Board of Directors does not feel that all of the terms will benefit the ATTA, nor do they protect the interest of the breed or the owners of diagonal Paso horses.
The points in question are:
ATTA members will have to pay an additional fee for a "Certificate of Validation". ATTA has asked Confepaso to look into this because; ATTA is already the approved registry of the diagonal Paso horse in the US through PFHA and Confepaso. ATTA feels that ATTA papers should be accepted, like Confepaso accepts the registration from any association in the Paso world. We have inquired to Confepaso if the internationally registered horses that wish to participate in the PFHA competitions will also fall into this "Certificate of Validation".
Neither the regional groups nor the PFHA national show is required to offer diagonal classes. It is up to show management. Therefore, if you own a horse in Louisiana and the region does not offer classes at their shows, you can not qualify your horse for the PFHA nationals. The PFHA terms state "may" offer. So even if the region you are in does offer diagonal classes, and you do qualify for nationals, there is no guarantee the classes will be offered at nationals. It is impossible to promote and help the diagonals grow if it is left up to the show management.
The ATTA Board of Directors advises all of the members NOT to proceed with the certificate of validation until further notice. Dr. Jose Laracuente and I will be meeting this week to discuss it further. ATTA also has spoken with the president of Confepaso. He will be notifying us about when this issue will be addressed next. The next Confepaso meeting is tentatively scheduled to be right before the spectrum show in Miami on Memorial Day weekend.
We will keep you informed. PFHA and ATTA will make all efforts to make sure that this is good for all. Please do not let third party gossip run your thoughts wild. We will be working together for the benefit of all involved.
Once again, the PFHA BOD has demonstrated a total lack of respect and understanding at so many levels it is almost impossible to untangle.
1. Did any of them understand what a constitution and by-laws of a corporation are? Did any of them look into the legal ramifications of arbitrarily changing the mission of the organization? Did ONE even understand what "paso fino" means? So now all diagonal horses unable to preform the paso fino modality are paso finos? What a slap in the face to everyone!
2. Is there not a process in place to make such a change and does that process involve all members?
3. Were members informed and allowed to provide input? This is NOT an administrative action concerning daily routine office procedure. This affects every single horse and member belonging to this organization.
4. Once again we have BOD officers abusing their powers and privileges of the membership FOR WHICH THEY SERVE!!
In my opinion, the actions of PFHA demonstrate an unfathomable desperation for money without any regard to the breed.
Who has the voting record for the BOD meeting where this motion was passed?
Notice how E-news is used--to inform after not before the fact.
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Would it be possible for someone from ATTA to log on here, and explain exactly what it is that they are seeking from PFHA? I just don't get the problem, because I have no idea what they are seeking. Hard to know what side to be on, when you don't know what is going on.
BE TRANSPARENT, B-E TRANSPARENT!
B-E T-R-A-N-S-P-A-R-E-N-T!
Well...you get the idea!
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Jumping in quickly because I couldn't let this slide....I'm not a Board member or Officer of ATTA, just a member...but I do know this...ATTA did not ASK PFHA to do anything...this is all PFHA...and, I agree, there is very little transparency with PFHA....I e-mailed directly my PFHA Delegate before the BOD meeting in January because I had heard "rumors" of something being voted on regarding the Diagonals. I told her to vote my vote a "No", because what they (the committee) was proposing was, I thought, in violation of the Mission of PFHA...I also own Paso Finos, which I love...also, as Lori Perez (Board Member of ATTA) has posted on another site....no one in PFHA asked for ATTA's opinion or input on the Diagonal Proposal....PFHA members need to get involved if they want to make a difference....contact your Delegates...ATTA is transparent, but they have no control over what PFHA does...this is all PFHA....
Thank you ever so much, Becky! I am clear now. I did not mean to sound accusatory toward ATTA...I just like for things to be clear to me, before I make decisions. Thus far, this inclusion of ATTA at PFHA shows has been anything BUT clear. It's making more sense to me now, thanks to your input. I appreciate that. Apparently, there is some reason PFHA felt it necessary to include ATTA....and unfortunately members of PFHA, are left in the dark as to the reasoning behind it. SSDD.
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OK! since PV is transparent and the SPIN stops here! and we do not disseminate false information like once accused by an ex-member of PV and a Delegate of the PFHA. ( and by the way, that person banned has been lifted just in case feels necessary to add any comments to this topic, is only ethical and correct)
I spoke with Lori Perez, a board member of ATTA and Past acting President , and here is the following!
The PFHA NEVER contacted the ATTA nor did answer ATTA request to meet and reach agreements!
The ATTA as of today has not agree with the PFHA decision that suddenly are so eager to have diagonals as part of their program!
The ATTA contacted Mr. Laracuente as the ATTA-E-News clearly reads, and ATTA still waiting for a response. GEEE that sounds familiar right?
The PFHA is acting on its own, and "NOW" is pretending to some how care? about diagonals? OK! My recommendation is LEARN ABOUT THE FINOS first.
The funny thing here is....... THAT ALL THIS sudden PFHA/DIAGONALS involvement occurred AFTER THE PFHA was told by CONFEPASO that PFHA will loose "one" chair.......... my question is? why is THAT CHAIR so important? could be POWER? maybe or maybe not!
I have many concerns about all this, in which at this time I will be cautious.
I am a proud member and will support the PFHA like all members of ATTA will, but come on! Is the PFHA for real on this one? Is the PFHA has the heritage and the standards of this breed together yet? How many Officers, members, delegates and chairs of committee participated in CONFEPASO MUNDIAL 2007 held on our grounds (USA)? not many! and the few that where there, had no other choice! and a hand full of others that are classified as the "minority" sad is it? in my opinion very!
What I do remember was someone very involved with our association did SET intentionally! a PINTO SHOW! during the same event that Mundial was taken place, was it in protest? maybe not, but I don't believe in coincidence!
SO? I have another concern, when ever CONFEPASO is mentioned, there is NO SUPPORT NOR INTEREST, my question is? WHY THE HECK.... THEN!!!! misrepresent a modality (diagonals) that the PFHA does not know a thing of NOR CARE?
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Once again, the PFHA BOD has demonstrated a total lack of respect and understanding at so many levels it is almost impossible to untangle.
1. Did any of them understand what a constitution and by-laws of a corporation are? Did any of them look into the legal ramifications of arbitrarily changing the mission of the organization? Did ONE even understand what "paso fino" means? So now all diagonal horses unable to preform the paso fino modality are paso finos? What a slap in the face to everyone!
2. Is there not a process in place to make such a change and does that process involve all members?
3. Were members informed and allowed to provide input? This is NOT an administrative action concerning daily routine office procedure. This affects every single horse and member belonging to this organization.
4. Once again we have BOD officers abusing their powers and privileges of the membership FOR WHICH THEY SERVE!!
In my opinion, the actions of PFHA demonstrate an unfathomable desperation for money without any regard to the breed.
Who has the voting record for the BOD meeting where this motion was passed?
Notice how E-news is used--to inform after not before the fact.
I couldn't agree more Candice! although i have one comment on this #4
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4. Once again we have BOD officers abusing their powers and privileges of the membership FOR WHICH THEY SERVE!!
I personally don't think they are abusing their POWER, they are meeting their job description, that is our system, is it fair? but that is the way is written in our constitution. Can the constitution be change? YES it could, but how?? is a different story and are they willing? is a better story!
I couldn't agree more Candice! although i have one comment on this #4
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4. Once again we have BOD officers abusing their powers and privileges of the membership FOR WHICH THEY SERVE!!
I personally don't think they are abusing their POWER, they are meeting their job description, that is our system, is it fair? but that is the way is written in our constitution. Can the constitution be change? YES it could, but how?? is a different story and are they willing? is a better story!
The question is: are WE willing?
I personally feel the PFHA BOD members ARE NOT following the written rules and therefore ARE abusing their position by self-empowerment.
Yes, the constitution can be changed by a special meeting requiring 30% signature of all members and then by 2/3 vote in order to pass the amendment.
Yes, I also feel that the current decision to officially offer classes and register horses that ARE NOT of the paso fino modality is in direct LEGAL violation of PFHA constitution and by-laws. Hard to believe but we penalize trotting horses under PFHA guidelines. PFHA as none of the following:
1. Certified judges for the diagonal modalities
2. Certification process for judges for the diagonal modalities
3. Rules to reciprocate judges certified by other organizations
4. Rules defining diagonal classes and how they are to be judged.
5. Rules defining the type of shows (A, AB, etc) that REQUIRE diagonal classes
6. Rules defining the National Championship show for diagonal horses.
7. A change in the mission statement and change in organizational name to include diagonal horses.
This just off the top of my head, but I'll confirm with further rule reference.
Of course, until the actual language is posted, my feelings could be very wrong. So, I'll be posting my discoveries as I find them here.
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I take a bit of offense to the statement made earlier that the diagonals are unable to perform the Paso Fino gait. Can I offer the following; they are NOT supposed to perform that gait. There are Paso Finos who have been bred to perform the Paso Fino gait that are not able to substain it.
This is not what is at issue though (sorry).
I completely understand the confusion - it is "muddling" things up. It appears this change PFHA has made was a "policy change" and not a rule change (not voted on by the members) from my understanding. Therefore it is basically temporary until they decide to change it again when a new BOD is elected. . It is a very polictical situation. I found out about it "after the fact" also.
If it had been addressed properly with all the PFHA members & the ATTA and planned for in advance, then MAYBE it could work. I see no way for it to work the way it is now. It is like the old saying "putting the cart before the horse". Also, PFHA certainly isn't looking out for the ATTA, their members or the horses best interest by handling it in this manner.
As previously mentioned the ATTA is not in favor of it, nor did we ask for it to be done. We were not included in the planning, etc., etc.
We are not trying to "hide" anything. We are keeping our members informed once we get information.
The ATTA is willing ( and currently is) to work with PFHA and Confepaso.
Well, I reread this entire thread and see no reference where it is said that paso finos cannot perform trocha or trot or that a troton cannot perform the paso fino modality. Too many are already confused into believing the paso fino breed does not have a diagonal gait, which is not true. It is well documented that paso finos from any country of origin do and have performed diagonal modalities. Anyone suggesting otherwise are simply incorrect. However, I am not suggesting all paso finos can perform all paso modalities at all times.
To clarify what we are discussing are show classes, show judges, and show horses. As far as I am aware there are no classes offered to give a paso horse an opportunity to display all of the paso modalities possible. My understanding is a show horse is required to perform only those gaits called for and nothing else. That means no paso fino where paso largo is called for, no walk when a paso fino called for, no canter if a trot is called for.
What is or is not the "breed" is related but I think worthy of its own discussion.
As far as my thoughts are concerned, "policy" or no, this is not in keeping with the intent of PFHA. I don't think it is an unreasonable request for PFHA to act with some decorum of professionalism, which I do not believe it has. Again, this "policy" affects all horses and members of the PFHA. It affects our finances, our corporate structure, our rule making, and our implentation/administration of such rules.
I wonder why after decades of hearing how diagonal modalities are not welcomed into the PFHA construct why now? It is a tad conincidental that ATTA is requesting a seat with CONFEPASO and PFHA is essentially broke.
ATTA has been openly supportive of the recognized diagonal horses for much longer, has the experience and the history to support these horses in a much more positive way. I have serious doubts PFHA embraces the diagonal modalities with the same enthusiasm.
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Sorry Lori...I thought ATTA was looking for show exposure through PFHA when I made that post about transparency. It's obvious that the lack of transparency comes from PFHA, and not ATTA. I was really just hoping someone from ATTA would clear things up a little. Which they have, as usual, and I appreciate the honest information.
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